A country definitely shouldn't be punished for playing well, but I think people joining late can still get good practice out of a world. Then, when a new world opens, they'll be good and battle-hardened. [/tng]

Yes, I realized it would make sea invasions much more difficult. I just figured a larger force would need to be sent so that the truck can be protected. That would also mean a lot more cash to launch a naval assault.

I'll think about your suggested adjustment. It sounds like it could work really well!

No, since they won't exist. With the previous invisibility adjustment, those objects existed and functioned. That's what caused the real issues.


<i>2) if you build a ghost unit when do your funds get used. assuming immediately do you get them back if any of your conditions prevent it from being built?</i>

Correct.


<i>Just to point out that i keep saying that time issue isn't a big deal you guys might assume</i>

I think a user can overcome an opponent setting attacks at the last minute if they have the cash to account for it. However, a larger country fighting a smaller country could easily abuse the advantage and make it extremely difficult to stop.

I'm going to put in my 2 cents.

I think this is a solution without a problem.

In every war game (esp. a free one) you are going to have people who play and then quit. Often it is because they feel they are losing. It does not make it a bad game -- just one where people see the end way before the end. This is because the game is slow -- which I kinda like, but in todays quick action game world it means people see the end on the horizon and don't play it out.

This ghost unit plan will just make it worse. You are basically reducing the speed of the game by an order of 2. It will take at least twice as long to do anything. This will only make the problem of people who don't play to the end because of the pace of the game worse more pronounced.

This change my be good or bad for the hard core players among us, but it will make the drop out rate worse -- not better.

Only time will tell if I'm right.

Johnny any comment or thoughts on my point about a single attack destroying an entire days worth of work?

I must have missed something. Which comment was this?

I don't want to do anything that will hurt my own game, of course. I think the last minute attacks really do hurt the game's model, so I think it needs a solution.

The delayed object creation is the best solution I could think of, but I'm always open to better ideas.

I had said that basically for 2 days i could keep an opponent at by meaning they couldn't build a single unit just by killing A) the construction truck before it builds a base. or b) a base while its units are in ghost mode.

So either day 1 I use 1 missile and ruin you day and there isn't thing one you can do about it, or you get lucky i miss the construction truck and you build a base 6 missiles and any units you hoped to have tomorrow are never going to exist.

Also unless your traveling with a fleet of CT's (only really viable in Cerato) you cant defend your base well enough to ensure your units are built.

I am just trying to point out that as your last invisibility method was very helpful to the attacker this is an equivalent slide towards defense.

If I have miss understood the mechanics of ghost units then the above scenarios are mute but I think this might be one of those changes we put in a test world first. So we don't repeat the what happened on Borogov with the last attempt. (I would say it actually changed the out come of the world).

You shouldn't be leaving those trucks and bases completely undefended then. :P

you can't defend the invasion if there is no way to build units. learn to read.

Agreed. Warships can only protect transports for so long as it is...eventually you have to leave the screen to land the units. Honestly unless you drastically manage to catch your opponent off-guard, naval invasions are looking to be nearly impossible at this point.

Then make it so even if a base is destroyed, the units will be built. The only thing stopping from building an unit is if the territory is taken.

Yes, that's the suggestion you made earlier that I agreed with in post 52 above. I think that would be a good solution.

fair enough. Can CT's be built as ghost units first day of a base?

Haha it sure did! Although otherwise that world probably would've been a stand off forever.

I've been pushing for the use of test worlds to tryout different, new game-changers. I don't think it's a good idea to implement such large changes on worlds that are already in progress.